We will either depopulate thru war, disease and hunger–or a world govenment will evolve to mandate family size, social darwinism, and death panels. But more importantly–do we have to listen to Moby??
good point, sadly we seem to be in the minority, ..most people seem perfectly happy to carry on breeding at the rate we are without thinking about the long-term implications
permaculture? is that allotments. sounds a bit of a rosy picture. trouble is they are no where near as efficient at growing stuff as petrochemical fueled agriculture.
we need to seriously reduce the population if we are to grow enough food for ourself with allotment growing, as losses are massive to weeds, pests etc. the population was only about 1 billion before fossil fueled mechanization started. it would have grown to todays number long before mechanization if it was as efficient.
Temporary Sterilization does seem to be the way to go. People cannot be trusted to steward this planet.
The general average IQ is 85-99. In order to grok or understand the impact of population growth on the environment, one must think exponentially. Exponential thinking, as a rule, cannot manifest until one reaches an IQ of 100+. Base emotions or urges come to us all, but are most dominate in humans with average IQs. Girls must have babies and boys must penetrate. Raise IQ and save the planet
If you want to go green you should work to reduce immigration!
Changing lightbulbs and having few or no kids is pointless when you let the government bring n millions of immigrants that will then have a dozen kids while you pay taxes to enable them to do so.
Google numbersusa to learn real facts on immigration.
well after i graduate college im gunna try and find one of then sustainable permaculture communities and live the simple life. i really dont see the need for lots and lots of resource consumption when people were perfectly happy as cavemen
it’s a joke lighten up what I meant by it is we only control indoor temperature. We do expand our terratory which does effect the landscape. I’m a little tired of the arguement so I will probly leave alot out and I’m not going to respond to things that do not pertain to the arguement and or what were argueing about. I know your completely against anything I say but like I said before look around at some non-fiction books and articals on the net or at the library on the subject.
ok I forgot about the thermonuclear bomb you got me there. I didn’t say that we hadn’t effected any species at all I said “some” you do know that 99.9% of every species that has ever lived has died out before man ever existed. it’s a terrible thing that the whales are dying out but there are plenty of other fish in the sea to sustain the cycle you mentioned but that doesn’t make it ok I mean my two favorite animals in the world are the blue whale and orca or “killer whale”.
@therealist1057
“the only environment we manipulate..”
“affected some species..”
i guess all those whaling and fishing treaties were for fun then?
2/3rds of the suns incident energy goes into oceans->plankton->eaten by fish/whales->eaten/burned by us (fish/whale oil)
we have in effect already done sustainable wind-powered transport/solar etc… and even then caused problems
Only solution is limit to 2billion (better still 500m) humans
7.’merely comunication’ is what braincells do. idea of hivemind, i’m posturing that the internet gives industry a sort of hivemind, by 2015 internet bandwidth will match that of one human brain.. ‘layer1=braincells’ ‘layer2=mind’ ‘layer3=industrial hivemind’.. how much damage can it do
5. 3x in however long.. this growth rate can’t continue can it.
8. the only environment we manipulate is the ac in your living room jk
9. I will say that there are definetly some species of animal that we have effected but we have nothing to do with global warming. and before anyone goes and calls me some dumb 14year old this is the realist1057 I’m just on my nephews friends computer.
4. there is absolutly no proof that synthesized pestisides and herbisides have effected anything but the annual yeild of crops.
5. that sentence didn’t make much sense but I’m assuming that you mean were evolving 3 times faster than normal but again thats not really a reason not to underestimate humans influence on the planet
6. We have only explored 1% of the ocean floor you can’t say it’s even the most complex on the planet let alone the universe.
7. thats merely communication.
1. well that is true we do put things into orbit but thats thats not threatening anything btu us
2. we haven’t replicated it for destructive purposes nuclear fusion is being developed as a new energy source and it’s a common missconseption that it’s used for atomic bombs and thats fission not fusion.
3. that was covered long ago by your 6th grade science teacher so no need to go over that again.
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-the human brain is the most complex object in the universe
+we’ve accelerated the rate at which human “processing-power” can be networked (language->internet)
-this pocessing is generally applied to the problem of manipulating the enviroment to allow further explosion in human numbers (or ampliflying human influence)
I dont 100% beleive globalwarming, you could be right that it’s sunspot cycles; but I beleive it’s much more likely than not that we’re doing real damage *somewhere*
-humans put things in orbit
-humans have replicated the suns power for purely destructive purposes
-humans have unlocked material stored over geological timeframes and returned them unto the atmosphere in a short period of time
-humans have synthesized chemicals that nature hasn’t previously had to deal with
-evolution takes millions of years, yet some humans will have experienced our numbers trippling in their lifetime
I’m gonna summerize this quit a bit so that everyone can understand cuz I’m not gonna get technical and try to sound smart on youtube. the earth is warming were not causing it. It has gotten hotter before humans even existed and for us to think that we actually have significant effect on the planet is an arrogant overestimation of human influence like I said I could get technical but I just don’t care enough about this arguement so I’ll leave it up to you to look on the internet for the truth.
We will either depopulate thru war, disease and hunger–or a world govenment will evolve to mandate family size, social darwinism, and death panels. But more importantly–do we have to listen to Moby??
good point, sadly we seem to be in the minority, ..most people seem perfectly happy to carry on breeding at the rate we are without thinking about the long-term implications
permaculture? is that allotments. sounds a bit of a rosy picture. trouble is they are no where near as efficient at growing stuff as petrochemical fueled agriculture.
we need to seriously reduce the population if we are to grow enough food for ourself with allotment growing, as losses are massive to weeds, pests etc. the population was only about 1 billion before fossil fueled mechanization started. it would have grown to todays number long before mechanization if it was as efficient.
It should be called Pollution and Environment.
Temporary Sterilization does seem to be the way to go. People cannot be trusted to steward this planet.
The general average IQ is 85-99. In order to grok or understand the impact of population growth on the environment, one must think exponentially. Exponential thinking, as a rule, cannot manifest until one reaches an IQ of 100+. Base emotions or urges come to us all, but are most dominate in humans with average IQs. Girls must have babies and boys must penetrate. Raise IQ and save the planet
Why does My Heart Feel So Bad – by Moby
what is the name of the first song?
the fat shit eating mcdonalds while people are starving pisses me off
…hahaha…
fucking redneck racist
If you want to go green you should work to reduce immigration!
Changing lightbulbs and having few or no kids is pointless when you let the government bring n millions of immigrants that will then have a dozen kids while you pay taxes to enable them to do so.
Google numbersusa to learn real facts on immigration.
Sorry, what I said was: Very good! I like the way its teaching it’s people to take care of the earth!
Muy bueno! Me gusta la forma su es su enseñanza a las personas a cuidar de la tierra!
well after i graduate college im gunna try and find one of then sustainable permaculture communities and live the simple life. i really dont see the need for lots and lots of resource consumption when people were perfectly happy as cavemen
it’s a joke lighten up what I meant by it is we only control indoor temperature. We do expand our terratory which does effect the landscape. I’m a little tired of the arguement so I will probly leave alot out and I’m not going to respond to things that do not pertain to the arguement and or what were argueing about. I know your completely against anything I say but like I said before look around at some non-fiction books and articals on the net or at the library on the subject.
ok I forgot about the thermonuclear bomb you got me there. I didn’t say that we hadn’t effected any species at all I said “some” you do know that 99.9% of every species that has ever lived has died out before man ever existed. it’s a terrible thing that the whales are dying out but there are plenty of other fish in the sea to sustain the cycle you mentioned but that doesn’t make it ok I mean my two favorite animals in the world are the blue whale and orca or “killer whale”.
@therealist1057
“the only environment we manipulate..”
“affected some species..”
i guess all those whaling and fishing treaties were for fun then?
2/3rds of the suns incident energy goes into oceans->plankton->eaten by fish/whales->eaten/burned by us (fish/whale oil)
we have in effect already done sustainable wind-powered transport/solar etc… and even then caused problems
Only solution is limit to 2billion (better still 500m) humans
2. dont thermonuclear bombs use a smaller fission device to trigger fusion?
3. still people take pop growth fueled by finite source for granted, so it’s worth mentioning.
7.’merely comunication’ is what braincells do. idea of hivemind, i’m posturing that the internet gives industry a sort of hivemind, by 2015 internet bandwidth will match that of one human brain.. ‘layer1=braincells’ ‘layer2=mind’ ‘layer3=industrial hivemind’.. how much damage can it do
5. 3x in however long.. this growth rate can’t continue can it.
8. the only environment we manipulate is the ac in your living room jk
9. I will say that there are definetly some species of animal that we have effected but we have nothing to do with global warming. and before anyone goes and calls me some dumb 14year old this is the realist1057 I’m just on my nephews friends computer.
4. there is absolutly no proof that synthesized pestisides and herbisides have effected anything but the annual yeild of crops.
5. that sentence didn’t make much sense but I’m assuming that you mean were evolving 3 times faster than normal but again thats not really a reason not to underestimate humans influence on the planet
6. We have only explored 1% of the ocean floor you can’t say it’s even the most complex on the planet let alone the universe.
7. thats merely communication.
1. well that is true we do put things into orbit but thats thats not threatening anything btu us
2. we haven’t replicated it for destructive purposes nuclear fusion is being developed as a new energy source and it’s a common missconseption that it’s used for atomic bombs and thats fission not fusion.
3. that was covered long ago by your 6th grade science teacher so no need to go over that again.
[more]
-the human brain is the most complex object in the universe
+we’ve accelerated the rate at which human “processing-power” can be networked (language->internet)
-this pocessing is generally applied to the problem of manipulating the enviroment to allow further explosion in human numbers (or ampliflying human influence)
I dont 100% beleive globalwarming, you could be right that it’s sunspot cycles; but I beleive it’s much more likely than not that we’re doing real damage *somewhere*
Reasons not to under-estimate human influence:-
-humans put things in orbit
-humans have replicated the suns power for purely destructive purposes
-humans have unlocked material stored over geological timeframes and returned them unto the atmosphere in a short period of time
-humans have synthesized chemicals that nature hasn’t previously had to deal with
-evolution takes millions of years, yet some humans will have experienced our numbers trippling in their lifetime
I’m gonna summerize this quit a bit so that everyone can understand cuz I’m not gonna get technical and try to sound smart on youtube. the earth is warming were not causing it. It has gotten hotter before humans even existed and for us to think that we actually have significant effect on the planet is an arrogant overestimation of human influence like I said I could get technical but I just don’t care enough about this arguement so I’ll leave it up to you to look on the internet for the truth.